by Michael Roberts
In a recent post, Paul Krugman took up the issue of whether movements in the stock market provide a good guide on how the capitalist economy is doing well. The question arises because the US stock market prices have hit a new all-time high in the last couple of weeks with apparently slightly better economic news and with the conviction among investors (i.e. big banks, corporation, managed funds and hedge funds) that the US Federal Reserve was not going to raise its policy interest rate this year or even for the foreseeable future.
Krugman reckons that “stock prices generally have a lot less to do with the state of the economy or its future prospects than many people believe. As the economist Paul Samuelson put it, “Wall Street indexes predicted nine out of the last five recessions.” Indeed, Krugman went further in saying that “in some ways the stock market’s gains reflect economic weaknesses, not strengths. And understanding how that works may help us make sense of the troubling state our economy is in.”
Krugman makes three (good) points to explain why stock prices are of little guidance about the state of the US economy: “First, stock prices reflect profits, not overall incomes. Second, they also reflect the availability of other investment opportunities — or the lack thereof. Finally, the relationship between stock prices and real investment that expands the economy’s capacity has gotten very tenuous.”
Profits in the US have been falling as a share of total output and even in absolute terms just as the stock market has risen.
And the prospects for investment that will deliver higher growth have diminished. So it would seem that the stock market has got way out of line with the so-called ‘real economy’.
Why? Well, Krugman’s answer is ‘monopoly power’. The very big companies are making big money, and then sitting on the cash and buying back their own shares. As a result, stock prices rise even though investment in the real economy stagnates or falls. There is no doubt that this is part of the explanation. But the other part relates to the very low interest rates that operate across the board in the major economies. Central banks in many economies have driven interest rates into negative territory, so banks are being paid to borrow money and in turn they must offer very low rates to companies and households, particularly the large companies. They can virtually borrow for free and then use the cash to buy shares.
This is a financial credit ‘bubble’ of similar proportions to the housing credit bubble prior to 2007. And it is expressed in the fact that global private sector debt has not fallen at all since the onset of the Great Recession. Instead, debt has been piled up as a cheap way of sustaining capitalist economies. This successfully ‘saved’ the banks, although it has not restored profitable investment and faster growth in the productive sectors of the major economies. This is US corporate debt to GDP below.
This brings me to a recent discussion about the role and relevance of stock markets to the capitalist economy conducted by the two leading mainstream economic exponents of stock market theory from Chicago University: Eugene Fama and Richard Thaler. Both are Nobel prize winners in economics. Fama is famous for his so-called Efficient Markets Hypothesis (EMH) and Thaler is a renowned ‘behavioural economist’. The debate between the two is really about whether the stock market provides a good guide to what is happening in a capitalist economy or whether it is totally volatile and ‘irrational’.
Fama says that EMH explains that capitalist markets, including stock markets, are ‘efficient’ in the sense that the price reflects what buyers and sellers reckon is right given the information before them. Well, that does not sound very profound. And is it true? Fama says “testing the proposition is difficult”! But, he says, it is a good approximation to what is going on. So if stock prices are high and rising, it means that investors thinkthe economy is doing better (given the information they have) and they may well be right.
Thaler, on the other hand, reckons that stock market prices are so volatile that there is no rational explanation of their movements; they can reflect ‘bubbles’ based on what another ‘behavioural’ colleague of Thaler’s, Robert Shiller, called ‘irrational exuberance’. Thaler cites the huge fall in stock prices in the crash of 1987. There was no basis for the crash in the ‘real economy’ which was doing well. Fama’s reply is that people thought there was an economic recession coming on, but they were wrong and then the stock market corrected itself. The crash of 1987, “In hindsight, that was a big mistake; but in hindsight, every price is wrong.” People change their minds.
Thaler argues that there are ‘bubbles’, which he considers are ‘irrational’ movements in prices not related to fundamentals like profits or interest rates. Fama’s reply is that you cannot tell if there is a ‘bubble’ before it happens, only in hindsight and the bubble in prices may merely express a change in view of investors about prospective investment returns, not ‘irrationality’. In this sense, Fama is right and Thaler is wrong.
But that is not very helpful to the rest of us to understand what is happening and what stock markets are doing. Fama is (in)famous for stating after the Great Recession that you cannot predict crashes or slumps and we should not even try (see my The causes of the Great Recession). Just accept that they happen. Thaler is telling us that crashes and slumps are caused by ‘irrationality’ and not by any fundamental developments in the wider economy. Neither mainstream economic theory offers any help, then.
Thaler says the answer is for the monetary authorities to intervene “but very gently” to“lean against the wind a bit. That’s as far as I would go. We both agree that markets, good or bad, are the best thing we’ve got going. Nobody has devised a way of allocating resources that’s better.” In contrast, Fama reckons government or central bank intervention to control market prices (that are broadly ‘efficient’) is “likely to cause more harm than good.”
So, in effect, both Fama and Thaler accept that markets rule and that market prices broadly allocate resources efficiently and ‘rationally’, except that Thaler wants to understand why people act sometimes differently than Fama’s ‘rational’ model. Fama summed up their conclusions in the debate: “In general, it would be useful to know to what extent all economic outcomes are due to rational and irrational interplays. We don’t really know that.” So the great Nobel prize winners don’t know much about why stock prices move up and down, often with no relation to the movement of key economic fundamentals like profits, investment, labour costs etc.
If we consider the movement of stock market prices from the point of view of Marxist analysis, then it is not so mysterious. In previous posts, I have dealt with this issue. As I said in one post: “Whatever the fluctuation in stock prices, eventually the value of a company must be judged by investors for its ability to make profits. A company’s stock price can get way out of line with the accumulated value of its stock of real assets or its earnings, but eventually the price will be dragged back into line. Indeed, if we consider stock price indexes (ie an index of an aggregated group of individual stock prices) over the long term, they exhibit clear cycles, with up phases called bull markets and down phases called bear markets. And these bull and bear markets, at least in the US, match nicely the movement in the rate of profit”.
In Robert Shiller’s own measure of stock market prices relative to profits (below), we can see that stock market prices generally move with profitability, but they can get way out of line for period. Right now they are still higher than they were in the last ‘bear’ market.
Marx made the key observation that what drives stock market prices is the difference between interest rates and the overall rate of profit. What has kept stock market prices rising now has been the very low level of long-term interest rates, deliberately engendered by central banks like the Federal Reserve around the world, with zero short-term rates and quantitative easing (buying financial assets with credit injections). The gap between returns on investing in the stock market and the cost of borrowing to do it is thus maintained.
In his recent opus, Capitalism, Anwar Shaikh looks at the theory of financial prices. (Chapter 10). Of course, every day, investors make ‘irrational’ decisions but, over time and, in the aggregate, investor decisions to buy or to sell stocks or bonds will be based on the return they have received (in interest or dividends) and the prices of bonds and stocks will move accordingly. And those returns ultimately depend on the difference between the profitability of capital invested in the economy and the costs of providing finance.
So this has less to do with ‘monopoly pricing’ as Krugman thinks and much more to do with the expansion of ‘fictitious capital’ relative to the profitability of capital as a whole. And less to do with Keynes’s view, which reckons that stock market prices are driven by subjective ‘animal spirits’ and more to do with the objective level of profitability.
If stock prices get way out of line with the profitability of capital in an economy, then eventually they will fall back. The further out of line they are, the bigger the eventual fall. That is what we can expect now.
The article above is taken from Mike Roberts’ thenextrecession blog (July 17), here.